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What Most Likely Puts The House At Advantage? (Blackjack)?
Dwight-Kimple, 2008-01-07 09:36:55
What is the "central key" that puts the dealer at advantage all of the time?Is it because they are able to hide their first card?* Fun scenario*What if the players could each "hide" their first card, and have the rest open for all to see like the dealer? Would that even up the odds?If players and dealer took "turns" of who had the hidden card, would that place the dealer equal with all of the other players?[ I don't play the game, but I've watched my hubby play. He feels that the casino's managed by the Native American Indians are less 'fair' than Vegas...he was frustrated that he statistically received less "21" hands at the Indian casino (they used 4-deck shue/sets) than at his several trips to Las Vegas' casinos. Are they managed differently? Less gaming restrictions on the Indian Casino's than the Vegas Casinos?]What is your spin on this?Please pardon my noviceness on this subject !010708 12:57
2008-01-07 14:11:47 Rene-Coates wrote: there's no advantage to the player having a hole card since the dealer hits or stands based on set rules regardless of what the players hold. the main advantage for the house is that the players go first, so if you bust you automatically lose regardless if the dealer later busts or not (i.e. you don't "push" if you both bust). also, the dealer having a hole card forces the player to make a decision based on incomplete information (i.e. assuming the hole card statistically is most likely to be a 10 count and hitting a 16 with a 10 count upcard when in reality the dealer also had a 6 underneath).counting cards is one of the few ways to gain the advantage over the house. that being said, counting into 6 deck shoes is very hard and most casinos laugh when people try count cards as it takes some skill and if your doing it wrong you give a better advantage to the house. on top of that some casinos are using a new continuous card shuffler. the new "shoe" keeps a few cards ready while it randomly reshuffles the decks anytime cards are placed put into the feed tray. in this way a counters advantage is almost completely eliminated as the "count" is basically reset every time they put the used cards back in the feed tray.the upside is that they are pricey, starting at something like k so most casinos only buy and use them for higher stakes tables right now ( or tables are the only ones i have seen them at)
2008-01-08 02:22:29 Leota-Moore wrote: its called years of practise
2008-01-07 11:09:31 Darrin-Shaw wrote: No, you need to study counting cards, that is hard to do with 4 deck dealing. That is probably why they are using 4 decks.
2008-01-07 11:07:10 Myong-Stewart wrote: The hiding of one of your cards doesn't matter. The dealer has to follow the House Rules about drawing cards. They have to draw to 17 and then stay. Some casinos allow dealers to stay on a soft 17, others make the dealer hit them until they reach at least a hard 17. The dealer follows the House Rules regardless of what any player is showing.The dealer is at an advantage because casinos don't permit card counting. If players were allowed to count, of course, then the game would cease to exist.
2008-01-07 11:43:16 Betty-Kimple wrote: Hidden player cards have no bearing on the house advantage. Some single deck tables in Vegas make you hide both your cards unless you split or double down. Not to mention that the dealer never makes a decision, their choices are all pre-determined.The dealer's hidden card does play a big role, since the player must make their decision based solely on the up card, and if a player busts, they lose no matter what the dealer does. Even if the dealer busts, the player still loses.
2008-01-07 12:50:23 Brendan-Logue wrote: The player has to play before the dealer does. If both the player and the dealer bust, the house wins since the player busted first and was out of the hand before the dealer busted. There are minor rule variations between casinos. it would have no impact for anyone other than card caounters, and it would make the odds for card counters worse. The Indian casinos I have visited tend to have rules at least as favorable as Vegas casinos. No. No.
2008-01-13 09:36:25 Rudy-Clewett wrote: Blackjack can be played with one to eight ordinary decks of cards. Cards of rank 2 through 10 are scored according to their face value. All face cards are 10 points. Aces are semi-wild and can be worth either 1 or 11 points. The highest hand in blackjack is an ace and any 10-point card and is called a blackjack. A winning blackjack pays 3:2. If both player and dealer have a blackjack the bet is a push. Aside from a blackjack, a winning hand pays even money. The player wins if his hand has more points than the dealer, without going over 21. Thus, a 21-point hand is the highest and is why the game is sometimes called 21. If either the player or dealer go over 21 it is called a break or bust and a busted hand automatically loses. If both the player and the dealer bust the player loses, this is where the house advantage is. If the player and the dealer tie, the bet is a push.BJ is the only variable % on offer in most casinos this means that if your skill level is high it can affect the house edge. There are not that many diferances in the rules in most casinos. The more decks you use the more count stable the shoe is so these days you find more 6 or 7 deck games.
2008-01-07 23:43:58 Tisha-Hays wrote: Part of the house advantage is having that one card face down. If you play a legitimate system (not card counting, but playing your hand based on the dealer's up card) then players would have a huge advantage if the dealer had both cards face up. For instance, take these hands into consideration...Player A has been dealt a 12, Player B a 14 and Player C a 13 and the Dealer has a 10 showing. All good players would hit their hands against a dealer 10 showing, but what if you were playing at a table where both dealer cards were up and you could see that the down card was actually a 6 giving the dealer 16. Then how many of you would hit your 12's, 14's and 13's? Not many, I'm sure, you'd stand hoping the dealer would bust. So, in essence, the dealer having one card down does have an effect on the house edge, without a doubt.In regards to players having a card face down, it wouldn't matter because the house hits up to a certain total and stands at a particular total no matter what, so it wouldn't matter. In fact, it used to be that players were all dealt their two cards face down and only they saw what they had, but they don't do this anymore mainly because they don't want the players handling the cards.
